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... or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is considered a disability in the schools now.

Roughly one-fifth of my son's first grade class is being medicated for ADHD. (These are six to seven year old kids.)

While I have no doubt that the conditions/symptoms of ADHD existed when we were kids, there wasn't nearly as much known on how to treat it. Of course, punishment for acting like a spazz was far more common than the coddling the kids get now.

What is your opinion on it?

Do you think ADHD should rightfully be considered a disability? Do you think medicating kids is a good idea if the medication seems to be working?
 

Unhappy Camper

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What is your opinion on it?
I'm 39.

When I was a young one I remember being in school with little bastards
that could not sit still, that liked to throw stuff in class and that seemed
incapable of learning a goddamn simply subject.

These little bastards were 'fixed' by :

1. Slowing down and asking WHY 'little bastard' has a problem.

2. Explaining the subject matter in a different manner to 'little bastard'.

3. Smacking 'little bastard' when he would get out of control.

4. Sending a note home to the parent and telling them that their
special little angel is in fact a stupid little fuck that needs to be in retard school.

5. Taking the little asshole out of the class and putting him in the stupid
class so he does not disrupt the 20 kids that WANT to learn.

6. Hiring teachers that care about the subject matter instead of the teacher's Union.



In my 15 years of teaching some of the most difficult subjects that exist, ( combat survival, close quarters combat, field medical trauma care etc... )
I've learned that you give MORE responsibility to those that are slow so that they build a confidence in themselves AND THEN they start to excel in the hard stuff.

We have an epidemic for sure ... it is NOT an epidemic of ADD its an epidemic of blame shifting.
 

Severina

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... or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is considered a disability in the schools now.

Roughly one-fifth of my son's first grade class is being medicated for ADHD. (These are six to seven year old kids.)

While I have no doubt that the conditions/symptoms of ADHD existed when we were kids, there wasn't nearly as much known on how to treat it. Of course, punishment for acting like a spazz was far more common than the coddling the kids get now.

What is your opinion on it?

Do you think ADHD should rightfully be considered a disability? Do you think medicating kids is a good idea if the medication seems to be working?
One fifth! The medical staff administering this medication and the ones giving them the authority to do so need psychiatric help themselves!... under constant supervision ... and kept away from kids!... forever!

Cranium is totally correct in his statement about some to blame society
 

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My brother -about 20 something years ago - had something we would call ADD now.
Beside not being able to sit still in class, being the clown, he was also dyslexic.

His grades were bad - constantly - and my Mom had countless meetings with his teachers. Some of his teachers even suggested to send him to a "special school". A test showed that his IQ was above average. So much for "stupid class".

With a lot of hard work his grades got better and he finished school. His dyslexia is almost gone (he reads a lot, that made a big difference).

I think that "we" like to go the easy way. A difficult child that is not challenged in school will be classified as having ADD.

Here is a pill... all is well.
 

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My son is extremely hyper, and wont sit still or shut up in his class, and the teacher bought up ADD. She was real quick to bring that up. I asked his doctor for a referral for a behavioural specialist, and his doctor looked at me like I had two heads. He said, "He's just a 4 year old boy. Kids will be kids." And I agree. This is nothing that punishments and good ol' ass spankin' wont fix. I will refuse to ever put him on meds. I've seen children on that shit, and they turn into zombies. I've also read about the other side effects to these medications. Im not knocking what other parents will do, but this is how I feel. When my child is older, and he out of line, I still wont put him on meds. I will have him see a therapist, and I will do my job as a parent.

And yes, I spank my son. I don't beat him, I smack his hand when he hits, and smack his ass when he talks back and the time outs wont work.
 

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People are waaaay too quick to medicate their children. The meds they give for children are speed. Usually Ritalin or Depakote. Why give speed to the speedy? B/c giving them speed will have an adverse reaction in their system , making them slow down.
What people dont realize is that with these meds.. the children eat less and will puke when forced into eating. The children dont want to eat and its a effect of the drugs too many people are plugging their children with. Why are parents putting their children thru this?

B/c the Doc said so. Why is the Doc looking for a band aid as opposed to actuaLLY TREATING THE AILMENT? ( SORRY cap lockl) The Doc's get kick backs and freebie meds from the drug companies... So its in the Doc's best interest to throw drugs at you and see if it helps.. if it dosent.. he gets the $ from another appointment and therefore appointments till he gets his shit right. Its a $$$ world.. even medicine isnt there to ACTUALLY better the patient..... You want decent care? Go to the ER. They will either treat you or tell you to see your Doc in a few days.
 

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I think the doctors are diagnosing the kids with ADHD way too soon with out doing the proper tests on them. They think just because the kid is a little hyper and doesn't want to sit and listen to the boring teacher that they MUST have ADHD.
A kids brain is still developing so it wanders very easily. The slightest sound can distract them. I think a good solution (one they started in the schools around here) is a PA system in each class. This way the teacher doesnt have to strain their voice from yelling over the noise and all the kids can hear and will pay attention more. Also puttin tennis balls under the legs of teh desks and chairs to cut down on the distractions.
All kids get antsy and want to get up and move around. The teachers are making things to boring for them. They need to come up with different techniques of teaching the kids so they can stay focused.
And those are my thoughts.
 

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People are waaaay too quick to medicate their children. The meds they give for children are speed. Usually Ritalin or Depakote. Why give speed to the speedy? B/c giving them speed will have an adverse reaction in their system , making them slow down.
What people dont realize is that with these meds.. the children eat less and will puke when forced into eating. The children dont want to eat and its a effect of the drugs too many people are plugging their children with. Why are parents putting their children thru this?

B/c the Doc said so. Why is the Doc looking for a band aid as opposed to actuaLLY TREATING THE AILMENT? ( SORRY cap lockl) The Doc's get kick backs and freebie meds from the drug companies... So its in the Doc's best interest to throw drugs at you and see if it helps.. if it dosent.. he gets the $ from another appointment and therefore appointments till he gets his shit right. Its a $$$ world.. even medicine isnt there to ACTUALLY better the patient..... You want decent care? Go to the ER. They will either treat you or tell you to see your Doc in a few days.

When I bought up with the teacher said about my son having ADD he looked at me like I was crazy. He said he would never even suggest that I put my son on meds. Not that I would anyway. Not all doctors are like that. But the ones that are.. are morons.
 

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Shoot all the disruptive little bastards.

[video=youtube;1WvsGJqxy4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WvsGJqxy4g[/video]
 

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I think the doctors are diagnosing the kids with ADHD way too soon with out doing the proper tests on them. They think just because the kid is a little hyper and doesn't want to sit and listen to the boring teacher that they MUST have ADHD.
A kids brain is still developing so it wanders very easily. The slightest sound can distract them. I think a good solution (one they started in the schools around here) is a PA system in each class. This way the teacher doesnt have to strain their voice from yelling over the noise and all the kids can hear and will pay attention more. Also puttin tennis balls under the legs of teh desks and chairs to cut down on the distractions.
All kids get antsy and want to get up and move around. The teachers are making things to boring for them. They need to come up with different techniques of teaching the kids so they can stay focused.
And those are my thoughts.
Bingo! There are some kids that actually have ADHD and need the medicine but the far majority are just bored. Part of this is also an energy factor because kids don't burn this energy off outside playing. They watch TV or play video games. One of my cousins never paid attention in class and they medicated him for it for several years. The odd part was he didn't take it on the weekends and he would sit for 8 hours playing Nintendo. It would seem to be he had the ability to focus when he wanted or it was something he was interested in. Teachers want a quick fix to make their jobs easy.
 

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They key words are attention and deficit. You'll find in the vast majority of the cases in question, the parents (or parent, as is most common these days) choose to park their children in front of the TV- or some other form of artificial babysitter- rather than spend time interacting with them. Hyperactivity and episodic behavioral issues can be seen as signs of pining for attention; something clearly lacking at home.


Rather than solve the problem, they instead mask the symptoms by chucking meds down their kids' throats without regard to their potential hazards. No thought is even given to uncovering the origins of such behavior. As long as the child sits there in a drug-induced stupor and doesn't interfere with their "me time", all is well. Even if the kid turns into a slobbering fucking idiot- just like Mom and Dad.
 

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Well said, Lins and Funee.

A good proportion of the children on these meds have no attention span simply because they GET no attention at home. They behave badly, because a negative reaction is better that no reaction at all.
 

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I'm 39.

When I was a young one I remember being in school with little bastards
that could not sit still, that liked to throw stuff in class and that seemed
incapable of learning a goddamn simply subject.

These little bastards were 'fixed' by :

1. Slowing down and asking WHY 'little bastard' has a problem.

2. Explaining the subject matter in a different manner to 'little bastard'.

3. Smacking 'little bastard' when he would get out of control.

4. Sending a note home to the parent and telling them that their
special little angel is in fact a stupid little fuck that needs to be in retard school.

5. Taking the little asshole out of the class and putting him in the stupid
class so he does not disrupt the 20 kids that WANT to learn.

6. Hiring teachers that care about the subject matter instead of the teacher's Union.



In my 15 years of teaching some of the most difficult subjects that exist, ( combat survival, close quarters combat, field medical trauma care etc... )
I've learned that you give MORE responsibility to those that are slow so that they build a confidence in themselves AND THEN they start to excel in the hard stuff.

We have an epidemic for sure ... it is NOT an epidemic of ADD its an epidemic of blame shifting.

Bravo. Once again you have said, in the most truthful way possible, exactly what I was thinking.
 

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Just the question no one asks. How did they use to deal with it.

I mean ADD and ADHD just where 'discovered' 20 years ago or so. I refuse to believe that it just started over night. I mean the world has always had spazes. Many of those spazes grew up. There was no meds, or shit like that. I would think you'd take that approach. I think putting a kid on meds for something thast not life threatening or something that isn't a threat to his daily life makes the kid feel wrong and awkward. The little fucker now has to feel he has to rely on something to be normal. Kids got enough problems not feeling normal as is.

I truely believe, with the exception of only a few things, that people should learn how to manage there shit, even if its 1000 times harder then the meds. Not because meds are inherantently wrong, or because of some macho thing, but because you lose a sense of self, and you get alot of negative beliefs when you take meds. The worst feeling is that your not normal, and you should be. So you gotta take these little pills so that your normal, so that people will like you. As adults we may not think that way, but as a kid you sure as hell do.
 

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Eh....

My brother has ADD, and if he's not on his medication, he starts driving more erratically and his grades start falling. It's not just a behavioral disorder; people with ADD have trouble excelling in academics and difficulty performing common tasks. Just a week ago, my brother wrecked his car after being deprived of medication for a few weeks.

Anyway, I guess that I believe that if the medication works, use it. Whether or not ADD is being over-diagnosed is another issue.
 

Violet

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Eh....

Anyway, I guess that I believe that if the medication works, use it. Whether or not ADD is being over-diagnosed is another issue.
See, that's my biggest problem with it. I DO believe it's being over-diagnosed, so those with children who actually have ADHD or ADD are rethinking whether or not to medicate.

I have to agree with most of the posts in this thread. Most of the signs of ADD or ADHD show up in children who are starved for attention or are basically allowed to run rampant at home, or kids who aren't challenged enough. Unfortunately, there are a lot of parents and teachers who just look for an easy fix.

There is an actual difference in brain activity between the brain of a child with ADHD and a child without it. I've heard from a doctor there was a decrease in blood flow to certain areas of the brain, and I read that there is decreased brain circuitry with ADHD children, so I'm coming around to the idea that medicating these children would be a good thing. It's just a pity that it takes a brain scan to detect these differences, while most doctors are willing to diagnose a kid just based on a parent's word.
 

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See, that's my biggest problem with it. I DO believe it's being over-diagnosed, so those with children who actually have ADHD or ADD are rethinking whether or not to medicate.

I have to agree with most of the posts in this thread. Most of the signs of ADD or ADHD show up in children who are starved for attention or are basically allowed to run rampant at home, or kids who aren't challenged enough. Unfortunately, there are a lot of parents and teachers who just look for an easy fix.

There is an actual difference in brain activity between the brain of a child with ADHD and a child without it. I've heard from a doctor there was a decrease in blood flow to certain areas of the brain, and I read that there is decreased brain circuitry with ADHD children, so I'm coming around to the idea that medicating these children would be a good thing. It's just a pity that it takes a brain scan to detect these differences, while most doctors are willing to diagnose a kid just based on a parent's word.
Before anyone decides to happily skip down the medication path just take note of very recent research done on anti-depressants ...

"Millions of people taking commonly prescribed antidepressants such as Prozac and Seroxat might as well be taking a placebo, according to the first study to include unpublished evidence.

The new generation of antidepressant drugs work no better than a placebo for the majority of patients with mild or even severe depression, comprehensive research of clinical trials has found.

The researchers said that the drug was more effective than a placebo in severely depressed patients but that this was because of a decreased placebo effect."


One has to understand that the drugs industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They are not in it for charity ... it is a business where ethics do not sit comfortably.
 

Unhappy Camper

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There is an actual difference in brain activity between the brain of a child with ADHD and a child without it. .

To further your statement about brain activity ;

Years ago a study was done with hamsters.

In this study two hamsters were used, one was fed in the normal "pet" way of human placing food and talking to the animal.

The animal was kept in a clean cage with plenty of light and normal household human activity.

The other hamster was put into a sound proof room, with limited light, with NO human interaction and with NO human activity detectable to it.


At the end of the study the animals were dissected and there was a CLEAR and HUGE difference in brain size and development between the two.

The care, nurture and interaction that was given to the animal with the more developed brain was theorized to have proven that EMOTIONAL neglect can affect human brain development.

As humans are more complex than hamsters one can deduce that it takes much more than food and shelter to nurture a human into a productive member of society.

I say all reproduction on the planet should STOP immediately.

And a prospective parent must pass a rigorous genetic, lifestyle, financial background check to obtain a procreation license.

In most cases we pass on these defective genes to the little bastard and in some cases we MAKE the little dumb ass by way of neglect.

Think about it...we give a car to a 16 year old after they pass a test. YET any two dumb, genetically flawed, poor, ugly motherfucker can make a baby.


It doesn't add up.
 

InterStella

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To further your statement about brain activity ;

Years ago a study was done with hamsters.

In this study two hamsters were used, one was fed in the normal "pet" way of human placing food and talking to the animal.

The animal was kept in a clean cage with plenty of light and normal household human activity.
The other hamster was put into a sound proof room, with limited light, with NO human interaction and with NO human activity detectable to it.


At the end of the study the animals were dissected and there was a CLEAR and HUGE difference in brain size and development between the two.

The care, nurture and interaction that was given to the animal with the more developed brain was theorized to have proven that EMOTIONAL neglect can affect human brain development.

As humans are more complex than hamsters one can deduce that it takes much more than food and shelter to nurture a human into a productive member of society.

I say all reproduction on the planet should STOP immediately.

And a prospective parent must pass a rigorous genetic, lifestyle, financial background check to obtain a procreation license.

In most cases we pass on these defective genes to the little bastard and in some cases we MAKE the little dumb ass by way of neglect.

Think about it...we give a car to a 16 year old after they pass a test. YET any two dumb, genetically flawed, poor, ugly motherfucker can make a baby.


It doesn't add up.
Well said, Lins and Funee.

A good proportion of the children on these meds have no attention span simply because they GET no attention at home. They behave badly, because a negative reaction is better that no reaction at all.

I rest my case.