Glenn Beck and the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

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This is me, shamelessly getting in on the ground floor of the tragedy.

I KNOW the search bots will be going nuts soon, if not already, with a whole bevy of conspiracy quacks trying to draw a line between Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, GLENN BECK, SARAH PALIN and Jared Loughner (the alleged shooter).

I just wanna throw these nice power keywords into the mix in order to draw a few hundred thousand more page hits.

Fuck em .. every one I listed is a media whore in one way or the other anyway.



( The story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot )


( Another story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885615_giffordspalin09.html?syndication=rss )
 

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LoL ..

I just did a Google of it, and a laundry list of left wing socialist pigs and right wing fascist swine bloggers are already spouting their usual twists on it.

Yaaaa !!!
 

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Shit .. I was right, search bots went nuts. I guess I had better entertain an opinion on the subject then:

The going argument is is that the right wing talk show gimps are spouting anti government messages and inciting folks to violent ends.

I listen to Beck and Limbaugh but alas I can not listen to Hannity for more than a few minutes because his nasally voice makes me want to stomp his throat hole shut ... anyway back to the topic at hand.

Those three are the top of the Right wing heap, they have, supposedly 10-30 million listeners DAILY. That ain't no small potatoes folks. Advertisers give HUGE dollars to radio and TV stations during the hours these three are on because and ONLY because they have huge audiences.

Sure, a small percentage of that 30 mil are people like me that listen for the entertainment value, a further small percentage are folks with a 180 degree opnion, i.e. the left wing kooks. But the MAJORITY of their listeners are folks that resonate to the message being spun, it has to be, one does not maintain a huge LOYAL audience by telling people things contrary to their beliefs.

So, the question is do THEY directly influence and by that are they RESPONSIBLE for the nuts that go out shooting up joints in their name or the name of their message.

I've heard Glenn Beck say things that are way off the wall and I am 100% sure that a large part of my fellow countrymen have a hard time understanding that Beck is in this MAINLY for his paycheck and not for any great purest constitutional ideals. Sure he talks a great talk, and that is the point ... is his talk dangerous?

Can ... should the FCC curtail voices such as theses when they are capable of driving a large population to extreme measures?


And WHO decides what message is harmful and what message is not?



Sure is a pickle.
 

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Can you kindly inform me as to what it going on, before I google any of this?

Who was shot and by whom and why and what connection is Glenn Beck to all of this. You know, the Who What When Where Why stuff.

Short summary is fine.
 

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Can you kindly inform me as to what it going on, before I google any of this?

Who was shot and by whom and why and what connection is Glenn Beck to all of this. You know, the Who What When Where Why stuff.

Short summary is fine.

And my point is what I made in post #3.

The media are already saying that "questioning whether divisive politics had pushed the suspect over the edge."

Divisive? What is that, by what standard? Anyway, that was what I was getting to in post 3 that events like this are ALWAYS used to take someones liberty away.

Patriot Act, for example, is a massive invasion of civil liberties all in the name of security.


What new claw of the Freedom Bird will dig into my neck because of this tragedy .. I wonder.
 

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So, um..........this Rep. Giffords was assassinated? Why? Did he support the immigration act that Arizona was pushing?

And why is Beck leaching onto this? He supported Mr. Giffords?

Sorry, but I cancelled my CNN cable subscription just recently for BBC instead. Maybe it serves me right.
 

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Wow, a fascinating story. I can see what you mean about the Democrat v Republican, trying to find someone to place the blame on. Youtube videos are crazy...

And WHO decides what message is harmful and what message is not?
Lets not forget Palin's facebook, millions of fans could see her map with Democrat seats in crosshairs, could this plant an idea in someone's head?



I am going to post something I agree with from another forum I frequent:

the reality is that his motive matters. Imagine two different scenarios:

Scenario One: The shooter goes on the record and says, "I know what I did was wrong. I know I will likely die because of this. I did this because it is TIME to do what Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle and all the God Fearing media people on Fox news say. I took out he target on Mrs. Palin's map nearest me and all good patriots should do the same! What is my sacrifice compared to the liberty it will bring about. The second revolution is here!"

Scenario Two: Shooter says, "Wexu, the high lord of the planet Klaxon told me about how all of government is using mind control to enslave the human race. He said that it is time for a new currency to change our linguistic patterns so as to subvert the dark forces at play. His futruescope foretold that the government will bring about our demise unless we kill them all. I just shot the one closest to me. They are coming to save us and they will help those that have started the initiation of Plan 73! Avoid the cataclysmic forces that seek to reunify us with the basic elements of discord!"

What would the narratives be for these two scenarios? While SOME will still bring up the "Second Amendment Solutions" atmosphere up for scenario two, I don't think the narrative would touch on the Sarah Palin map 1/10,000th as much as scenario one.

His motive DOES matter in how the narrative will affect political discourse, at least in the short term.
 

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Wow, a fascinating story.
Yep.

My issue is clearly with how the Federal Government will address issues of Free speech, issues of Broadcast media and the lame idea of equal time for opposing opinion.

I put no stock in Palin, and I've paid her little to no attention since she popped up in '08. Beck on the other hand has organized crowds of over 100,000 plus people from his pulpit ( radio ).

How does one motivate a mass of people that otherwise had no predilection for violent activity into a violent activity?

Demonizing the people/institution/ideology of the other guy is how.

It works, all over the planet through the last 100 (and longer) years we have instances where charismatic leaders (and regimes) with seemingly popular ideals put forward a monstrous crime one step at a time.

Green eyes are the devil you say? You don't get on the radio and say that people with green eyes are the devil and need to be killed, you start by a propaganda campaign discussing related or unrelated heath issues with people with green eyes, or you start a catalog of crime figures with green eyes ... whatever it takes to start a 'discussion' among normal folks about "those green eyed ones". If may take years, it may take tens of years but enough talking about it can LEAD to an action.

The question of CAN people be driven, led, coerced into an act of atrocious brutality is a PROVEN YES.

The question of should a GOVERNMENT have so much control over the media as to curtail all apposing view of the central government itself is a BLAZING FUCK NO in my view.

Bottom line :

Palin, Beck .. ANYONE, should be accountable for things done BY them either physically by their own hands or by direct instruction.

They, nor WE, can be help responsible for people that are clearly fucked up already taking our words out of context or making a new agenda on an off handed comment we make.
 

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Fortunately she's a Democrat, so she was hit in a non-vital organ.
 

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Lets not forget Palin's facebook, millions of fans could see her map with Democrat seats in crosshairs, could this plant an idea in someone's head?
If a dog can talk a mailman into killing 6 people, anything's possible.

The question of should a GOVERNMENT have so much control over the media as to curtail all apposing view of the central government itself is a BLAZING FUCK NO in my view.
Fortunately LARRY FLYNT feels the same way. It's a shame it always has to be someone like him to be the defender of such things.

The thing I noticed the most about Palin was how quick the attacks on her started, and how the main angle of attack was comparing her to Obama. If she was a Democrat, she would be elected. I mean really, she was the vice candidate on the losing side. How often do you hear about Biden's kids, or even Biden?

On Google


Sarah Palin About 20,000,000 results (0.17 seconds)

Joe Biden About 4,050,000 results (0.30 seconds)

If she were to change parties she'd be dangerous. In a few more years, most people won't even remember who her running mate was.
 

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Another day, another depressed American youth shoots a whole bunch of people. Nothing new to see here!
I didn't realize you've been here before.

You should see the LA news. Every single day their is an interruption for a car chase, or swat team standoff. When I worked from home you'd see all kinds of crazy shit. The North Hollywood shootout was just a better than average afternoon.


As far as the shooting, I haven't really paid attention, but saw today he killed a 9 Y.O. girl. Fuck him, that alone is going to make his prison time better than the death penalty. And I love the Death Penalty.
 

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Another day, another depressed American youth shoots a whole bunch of people. Nothing new to see here!
Is there an anti gun message in your astute observation? If not, disregard the following.

If so I'd wager that a well armed and WELL TRAINED person with a legally obtained and legally carried personal firearm may well have prevented the dude from ever getting the chance to reload. As it turns out UNARMED dudes grabbed a guy with a PISTOL to disarm him and they were lucky he was not trained to reload under duress if he had been then those two that grappled with him may well have been shot as well. They were VERY lucky the shooter was a moron and went unprepared for sustained combat and made no plans or had no care to survive the event long enough to inflict massive causality rates. Multiple weapons and multiple reloads would have caused this area to be a killing field far greater than it was because NO ONE seemed to be armed other than the bad guy. ( I of course do not know the full run of events and do not know what type of security detail was on hand at the time. )

On the other hand, a 98 pound, 4' 8" woman with one eye and sitting in a wheel chair, armed with a .40 handgun could have dropped that guy with out even raising her resting heart rate. ( Yes yes .. an extreme example, but true none the less.)