Is Obama being snubbed?

SittinGrumpy

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Ok, I have read comments on this and I wanted to know what you guys think....

Is Obama being snubbed or is he introducing someone?

I think in one video he is doing intro's but in the other he is being snubbed.

[video=youtube;x1C_NWMRs8Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1C_NWMRs8Q[/video]

[video=youtube;XoVWw-MCMHw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVWw-MCMHw[/video]
 

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Hmmm, that's a hard call. Although it looks like he's being snubbed totally in the second video it does appear he's introducing the other man in the first.

However, his own party is in the process of trying to snub him without hurting his feelings. That day is the one I'm looking for. Of course, it is doubtful that he will drop from GOD status back to Rockstar status without it somehow being Dubya's fault......
 

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I understand disliking any political figure for whatever reasons... but in a public situation like that, it's a terrible political move to paint yourself as the pompous asshole who's too good for someone else.

Bypassing the Obama shake for the next dude makes everyone zero in on YOU. Yikes!
 

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That's fucking awesome.

I'd snub his hand, too. I'd hate to get all that blood on me.
 

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I understand disliking any political figure for whatever reasons... but in a public situation like that, it's a terrible political move to paint yourself as the pompous asshole who's too good for someone else.

Bypassing the Obama shake for the next dude makes everyone zero in on YOU. Yikes!
Since when, Josie, is it wrong for a person to stand up for what they believe in, or to stand solidly against what they explicitly do NOT believe in? The man isn't the God or Rock Star he was painted to be and no, the rest of the world (read: Europe) doesn't respect him as much as the media would like us to believe. I won't shake the hand of any person who is clearly able to do me or my family harm and thereby wouldn't ask any other person to do so.

More power to the Snubber!
 

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Since when, Josie, is it wrong for a person to stand up for what they believe in, or to stand solidly against what they explicitly do NOT believe in?
First. I didn't say it was wrong. I said it was a pretty risky political move.

tg said:
The man isn't the God or Rock Star he was painted to be and no, the rest of the world (read: Europe) doesn't respect him as much as the media would like us to believe.
Oh, so when his original supporters see YOUR side of things, you don't think they'll be looking to someone else for leadership? THAT is why it's a pretty dumb move. When you make a move like that, onlookers take note of the face doing the action - the snubber. If you are perusing candidates for your support and you run across a face you once saw in a disdainful light (even if you can't remember where), you'll likely NOT support that person. Even if you have no evidence to do so. It's that whole 'gut feeling' stuff.

tg said:
I won't shake the hand of any person who is clearly able to do me or my family harm and thereby wouldn't ask any other person to do so.

More power to the Snubber!
Congratulations. You're a moron. ANY person in a position of power is able to do your family and lil ol' you harm. Even the best of politicians have made mistakes or engaged in shady dealings. It's the amount that makes the difference.

I find it interesting that I comment on a risky political move to "snub" another political figure publicly.. and you automatically jump on me.

Should I spill my views now so you can decide whether or not you still hate me for my political affiliations... or should I continue to let you assume whatever you please and judge me based on your own hasty thoughts?

How about this. There shouldn't be political parties. And that there are, there shouldn't only be two. ^your barky bullshit only proves that point for me.

We need more variety! Small scale: swollen cranium - Large scale: internationally.
 

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First. I didn't say it was wrong. I said it was a pretty risky political move.



Oh, so when his original supporters see YOUR side of things, you don't think they'll be looking to someone else for leadership? THAT is why it's a pretty dumb move. When you make a move like that, onlookers take note of the face doing the action - the snubber. If you are perusing candidates for your support and you run across a face you once saw in a disdainful light (even if you can't remember where), you'll likely NOT support that person. Even if you have no evidence to do so. It's that whole 'gut feeling' stuff.
I guess refusing a handshake is on par with throwing a shoe at someone's head?

You're reading too much into it. I refused to shake my ex wife's new husband's hand because....well...frankly, the guy is a choad. I totally left him hanging and topped it off with a hearty "forgive me if I don't shake hands", a la Val Kilmer in Tombstone. Does that mean that I should suddenly be lambasted by everyone affiliated with me because of a personal decision to not be cordial to someone who I dislike for whatever reason? No. It should have (and doesn't) any repercussion either way because it's not a big deal.



I find it interesting that I comment on a risky political move to "snub" another political figure publicly.. and you automatically jump on me.
I don't think he was jumping on you, just voicing a differing opinion. Isn't that what we're here for?

How about this. There shouldn't be political parties. And that there are, there shouldn't only be two. ^your barky bullshit only proves that point for me.

We need more variety!
Political parties are a necessary evil considering the format of our electoral process. They provide a structured environment for candidates to focus on the foundation of the party as a whole, rather than individual candidates particular beliefs. While each member of any particular party has their own beliefs, morals, etc., the partisan membership allows a cornerstone for each individual candidate to build upon, thus making it easier for the public to distinguish candidates by affiliation, rather than personal convictions.

Examples include;

Democrats: Typically pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, focus tax incentives for the middle-class exclusively.

Republicans: Typically anti-abortion, focus on capital gain, tax incentives for small and big business.

Green Party: Environmentalists, focus on community-based economies, social reform.

Constitution Party: Focuses on strict immigration policy, replacing income tax.

Libertarian Party: Complete nutjobs. Focus on socialism.

With those descriptives, it's easy for a person to establish an opinion of a candidate through their partisan affiliation, and only then focus on a candidate's personal beliefs

And last time I checked there were 5 major parties in contention for the presidential electoral college (Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, and Constitution), and another 19 who have contributed in state, local, and national elections in the last ten years.

How much more variety do you need?
 

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I guess refusing a handshake is on par with throwing a shoe at someone's head?

You're reading too much into it. I refused to shake my ex wife's new husband's hand because....well...frankly, the guy is a choad. I totally left him hanging and topped it off with a hearty "forgive me if I don't shake hands", a la Val Kilmer in Tombstone. Does that mean that I should suddenly be lambasted by everyone affiliated with me because of a personal decision to not be cordial to someone who I dislike for whatever reason? No. It should have (and doesn't) any repercussion either way because it's not a big deal.
I (and everyone else) couldn't care less about you and your woman issues. That isn't even close to my point.


kill said:
Political parties are a necessary evil considering the format of our electoral process. They provide a structured environment for candidates to focus on the foundation of the party as a whole, rather than individual candidates particular beliefs. While each member of any particular party has their own beliefs, morals, etc., the partisan membership allows a cornerstone for each individual candidate to build upon, thus making it easier for the public to distinguish candidates by affiliation, rather than personal convictions.
Ahhh yes. Where would we be without Kill em All to blow smoke! Nah, that's all bs. All the TWO major parties do is divide us right in half. Are you replublican? Are you democrat? I will proceed to hate you now. That's pretty much the way it goes and it's hella lame.

kill said:
Democrats: Typically pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, focus tax incentives for the middle-class exclusively.

Republicans: Typically anti-abortion, focus on capital gain, tax incentives for small and big business.

Green Party: Environmentalists, focus on community-based economies, social reform.

Constitution Party: Focuses on strict immigration policy, replacing income tax.

Libertarian Party: Complete nutjobs. Focus on socialism.

With those descriptives, it's easy for a person to establish an opinion of a candidate through their partisan affiliation, and only then focus on a candidate's personal beliefs

And last time I checked there were 5 major parties in contention for the presidential electoral college (Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, and Constitution), and another 19 who have contributed in state, local, and national elections in the last ten years.

How much more variety do you need?
There are "more" parties to placate any one with more than two brain cells. There are two parties and one huge dividing line that run the United States for a reason. People are stupid. They need the "go here or go here" to make any sort of decision. And often NOT for any other reason than that's what their friends and family do.

I'd like to go into this quite a bit further, but this ain't the free fire zone.
 

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Josie, I'd have to say that you are the one on the attack. I care not about your affiliations politically. Honestly, I agree that the current two party system is wrong. I don't think that either can fit the full range of needs of the American people.

Now, on to the snub. First, your assertation that I'm a moron is both unfounded and completely incorrect. Also, it merely shows that you, too, are a snubber at best and unbelievably rude at worst. Second, any person who votes for any candidate should do so based on what that candidate has said he stands for AND then by what that candidate has actually done. In other words, has that candidate voted as his campaign promises suggested he would or has he not. If, as a voter, you cast your ballot against a candidate because he didn't shake some blatant liars hand, but rather stood against that liar in a rather quiet show of force, then I submit that your are the moron. Third, you are the only one to make an attempt to label me as partisan in your comments. In fact, you didn't even consider for a moment whether or not I was an Obama supporter in the beginning or not. Granted, I was not (because I'd have to be a "moron" to do so) but that you did not even consider that maybe I had been a BHO supporter that came to my senses makes you one of the partisans you rail against.

Now, let's try and keep this on an adult level. Name calling is really not in anyones best interests.
 

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Is Obama being snubbed or is he introducing someone?
He is introducing someone.
The "snub" insinuation is a typical response from the media, and others, to discredit him. It's in the same category as when he was supposed to have ogled a woman's ass....pure fantasy.
 

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He is introducing someone.
The "snub" insinuation is a typical response from the media, and others, to discredit him. It's in the same category as when he was supposed to have ogled a woman's ass....pure fantasy.
Yah, he's introducing someone. However, I'd have to disagree that the media is trying to discredit him, apart from Fox and right wing radio. Clearly, he did not ogle the 16 y.o. ass, but he did bow to the king of Saudi Arabia and that WAS covered up and pishawed by the media.
 

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Josie, I'd have to say that you are the one on the attack.
Yep. But that statement up there^ is referencing my saying that you jumped on me. Which, you did. So... who cares?

tg said:
Now, on to the snub. First, your assertation that I'm a moron is both unfounded and completely incorrect. Also, it merely shows that you, too, are a snubber at best and unbelievably rude at worst.
Nah, you were being a moron. You were trying to equate risky political moves to "right and wrong" (standing up for what you believe or don't believe in) - I assure you, those two don't go as well as you might like to think.

tg said:
Second, any person who votes for any candidate should do so based on what that candidate has said he stands for AND then by what that candidate has actually done. In other words, has that candidate voted as his campaign promises suggested he would or has he not. If, as a voter, you cast your ballot against a candidate because he didn't shake some blatant liars hand, but rather stood against that liar in a rather quiet show of force, then I submit that your are the moron.
Ha! You live in fantasy land? Not many voters are thinkers. Precisely why we have the two main parties... blue and red. Nice and simple. If all voters were to examine candidates as you seem to like to think they do/would... we wouldn't need parties. A candidate could simply run with his or her name and platform.

tg said:
*more whining*

Now, let's try and keep this on an adult level. Name calling is really not in anyones best interests.
Says who? It's fun to call people morons in political postings! It really gets the fire going :)

And, for one moron comment... you sure did rant a whole heck of a lot about it. Did... did it hurt your feelings?
 

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You don't have to agree with the guy or his politics.... but respect for the office should be given.... regarless of how you feel about the individual
 

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By "respect for the office" do you mean keep your mouth shut about the obvious bull shit going on?

Surely not.